Quick question on the demo. Is the only way to remove ICE from my deck is to hack a node with the [trash] tag while I have an ICE card in hand. Then I can trash it?
Yup! Or get lucky when you [trash] a random card from your deck when you flatline, or when you get it as an upgrade when you cash in your data when you jack out.
Check out Shamus of the excellent Out of the Box Board Game Channel playing the Card Drives demo. I've watched lots of his videos when I'm curious about print and play games and solo games.
I never played Poker, so the âProgramsâ were very confusing to me, I was not sure how to do them. Only when I saw the name âFull Houseâ in there, I started having a suspicion: âhey, that sounds like a thing that cards people say; maybe itâs some kind of a specific thing in card games?â Iâd be grateful if you could add explanations of those things in the booklet somewhere for people like me, who never in their life encountered those names - and even more so in English.
For others like me, hereâs a list of those, as far as I could understand from Wikipedia - I may be wrong though:
(note: ârankâ in those seems to mean the cardâs âvalueâ if it is 2-10 card; while for non-number cards, based on Card Drives booklet, it seems to be A=(1 or 11) and J/Q/K=10, except for Straight, where presumably âtraditionalâ Poker values would apply, which seem to be: J=11, Q=12, K=13, A=14)
PAIRING (Pair) = a hand containing two cards with the same rank (for example, two â2âs), and the remaining cards having different values
DOUBLE PAIRING (Two Pair) = a hand containing two cards with the same rank, another two cards with another same rank, and the remaining cards having different ranks
THRILL KILL SHUT DOWN (Three of a Kind) = a hand containing three cards with the same rank, and the remaining cards having other ranks
STRAIGHT CIRCUIT (Straight) = a hand containing five cards with sequential ranks (e.g. 2,3,4,5,6, or 3,4,5,6,7, etc), with not all the same suits (because then it would be a Straight Flush, I think?) - note: âtraditionalâ card values seem to apply in Straight, which would presumably mean: J=11, Q=12, K=13, A=14
FLUSH CACHE (Flush) = a hand containing five cards of the same suit, not all being sequentially ranked (because then it would be a Straight Flush, I think?) - note: Iâm not sure whether the âtraditionalâ or âCard Drives bookletâ values apply here for non-number cards đ€
FULL SHUTDOWN (Full House) = a hand containing three cards of one same rank, and two cards of another same rank (e.g. 3,3,3,2,2)
STRAIGHT KILLOTINE (Straight Flush) = a hand containing five cards of the same suit, in sequential order of ranks - note: âtraditionalâ card values seem to apply in Straight, which would presumably mean: J=11, Q=12, K=13, A=14
FULL PAIRING (Four of a Kind) = a hand containing four cards of the same rank, plus one card of a different rank
CORPO KEYS (Royal Flush) = A,K,Q,J,10, of the same suit, I think?
Based on the above, I also assume probably to âplay a programâ, one has to use a hand of 5 cards always? though Iâm not really sure about it - maybe e.g. for a Pair itâs enough to use/discard 2 cards? Iâm even more confused with e.g. PAIRING which says âDraw 3 cardsâ, but then right above it is written: âAfter playing a program, you refill your hand to 7 cards.â - so how many cards am I expected to discard, and how many to have in my hand after playing the Program? đ€
You don't always need to play a hand of 5 cards to "play" a program, just the cards needed to fulfill the requirements of the hand. For example two-pair requires 4 cards, 2 of a matching rank and 2 of a different matching rank. Three of a kind requires you to play 3 cards from your hand: 3 cards all of the matching rank.
To play the pairing program you play 2 cards of the same rank (a pair) and then draw 3 cards. Then, if you have less than 7 cards in your hand you draw up to 7. To play the flush cache program you play 5 cards that all have the same suit, shuffle your cache into your deck, then draw back up to 7 cards if needed.
Thank you! So, IIUC, this means as a result I might sometimes have more than 7 cards in hand, is that right?
Also, to clarify the ranks/values:
in âPairingâ, âThrillâŠâ (Three), âFull Pairingâ (Four), and âFull Shutdownâ, each of the âfacesâ counts as 10, so I can for example treat a Q+K as a âPairingâ, and for example Q+Q+K+J as a âFull Pairingâ, yes? However, I can not treat Q+Q+K+K as âDouble Pairingâ, because again each of them counts as 10, and âDouble Pairingâ requires pairs of different values/ranks, right?
if I have Q+Q+Q+K+K, I cannot treat them as âFull Shutdownâ, because they all have value 10, while they should have different values, yes? or can I?
for checking âStraight Circuitâ and âStraight Killotineâ, the values of faces & aces are interpreted as: J=11, Q=12, K=13, A=14, yes?
if I have a âStraight Killotineâ (Straight Flush), can I also play it as âFlush Cacheâ (Flush), or not? in somewhat other words, to play âFlush Cacheâ, can I assume that I can ignore values/ranks of cards, and just check if I have 5 cards of the same suit, regardless of their values/ranks? If not, then does the faces=10, ace=1/11 valuation apply (making faces disadvantageous for âFlush Cacheâ), or the: J=11, Q=12, K=13, A=14 one?
âCorpo Keysâ = A+K+Q+J+10, of the same suit, yes?
Each face card counts as 10 only when looking for a value, for example if you want to exploit a node that has 10 you would need to play 1 or more cards that have a total value of 10. So a jack, queen, or king would work there. This also matters when upgrading your deck when you jack out, as the cards you pull are checked for their values.
However when looking for pairs you need 2 cards that have matching ranks. So for example a queen and a king are not a pair because they are not the same rank. Two queens are a pair, two kings are a pair, and two kings and two queens would be two pair, or in the parlance of this game "double pairing".
Full shutdown, or a full house, requires 3 of one rank and 2 of another different rank. So 3 queens and 2 kings would count as a full house.
You can only play one program at a time, so a straight killotine would not also count as a flush cache.
Corpo keys is a royal flush, which means 10, Jack, Queen, King, and Ace all of the same suit.
Ohhh, ok, thanks, thatâs very different from what I understood! I read the following guideline in the booklet, and I assumed I need to follow it: âAces have a value of either 1 or 11, face cards count as value 10 outside of a straightâ - that face cards count as 10 except in programs named âStraightâ.
As to the Straight Killotine vs. Flush Cache, I wanted to ask a different question actually, I now see I didnât phrase it clearly enough: what I want to ask, if I have cards for a Straight Killotine, can I instead play them as a Flush Cache? i.e., letâs say I have 2+3+4+5+6 of one suit, so I could play them as Straight Killotine; but do I have the choice to instead treat and play them as Flush Cache? Or is it required for Flush Cache that the ranks must not be fully sequential, that I can only play a Flush Cache if the cards do not form an unbroken sequence?
EDIT: Ahh, and also then, for a â3 SEQUENCEâ Exploit, can faces be used here, or only ânumberâ cards? and if faces can be used, they count as a â10â each, yes? or again as ranks?
So one of the inherent assumptions in poker is that you are always playing the strongest possible hand, and that assumption is also true in Card Drives. As a straight flush is stronger than either a flush or a straight, if you play 5 cards that share a sequence and are all in the same suit, that always counts as a straight flush.
Face cards can be used in a 3 sequence exploit. This is another inherent assumption in poker, that face cards have a rank that puts them in Jack, Queen, King order, and that order comes after the 10 card. So for example a 3 sequence could be 9,10,J, or 10, J, Q, or J,Q,K, or Q,K,A.
Thanks! I haven't really messed with Board Game Geek or RPG Geek pages before.
Programs like the flushes and straights always refer to standard poker hands that appear next to it in brackets, so to play a straight circuit (straight) you would need 5 cards in sequence, to flush cache (flush) you would need to play 5 cards all with the same suit. Hope that helps!
Great. Very helpful. Itâs been awhile since Iâve played poker. Iâd strongly recommend adding a BGG page. Itâs where I visit to get more details for KS games and see what kind of community is developing. Also games with BGG entries are more likely to feature on my YT channel as I find BGG is a common stop for people looking for more info.
Thanks for making the video, it gave me some better understanding of a few things I didnât wrap my head around yet after just reading the rules. For anyone else interested, the video is at: https://youtu.be/VTBr8QIN-6U
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Played with a "late game deck" to show off how modded ram cards work. See if I can beat the AI!
Quick question on the demo. Is the only way to remove ICE from my deck is to hack a node with the [trash] tag while I have an ICE card in hand. Then I can trash it?
Yup! Or get lucky when you [trash] a random card from your deck when you flatline, or when you get it as an upgrade when you cash in your data when you jack out.
Ok. If I draw ice after hacking out, I.e. a 0 value, donât I trash a random card?
You do! Hopefully it's another ICE card!
If ICE is getting you down, remember you can always mod those cards too so you can play them in programs or just as RAM cards.
nice. That is a great idea. Mod the ICE. I didnât think of that. Thanks.
I played through a few runs of the demo, check it out:
Check out Shamus of the excellent Out of the Box Board Game Channel playing the Card Drives demo. I've watched lots of his videos when I'm curious about print and play games and solo games.
I never played Poker, so the âProgramsâ were very confusing to me, I was not sure how to do them. Only when I saw the name âFull Houseâ in there, I started having a suspicion: âhey, that sounds like a thing that cards people say; maybe itâs some kind of a specific thing in card games?â Iâd be grateful if you could add explanations of those things in the booklet somewhere for people like me, who never in their life encountered those names - and even more so in English.
For others like me, hereâs a list of those, as far as I could understand from Wikipedia - I may be wrong though:
(note: ârankâ in those seems to mean the cardâs âvalueâ if it is 2-10 card; while for non-number cards, based on Card Drives booklet, it seems to be A=(1 or 11) and J/Q/K=10, except for Straight, where presumably âtraditionalâ Poker values would apply, which seem to be: J=11, Q=12, K=13, A=14)
Based on the above, I also assume probably to âplay a programâ, one has to use a hand of 5 cards always? though Iâm not really sure about it - maybe e.g. for a Pair itâs enough to use/discard 2 cards? Iâm even more confused with e.g. PAIRING which says âDraw 3 cardsâ, but then right above it is written: âAfter playing a program, you refill your hand to 7 cards.â - so how many cards am I expected to discard, and how many to have in my hand after playing the Program? đ€
You don't always need to play a hand of 5 cards to "play" a program, just the cards needed to fulfill the requirements of the hand. For example two-pair requires 4 cards, 2 of a matching rank and 2 of a different matching rank. Three of a kind requires you to play 3 cards from your hand: 3 cards all of the matching rank.
To play the pairing program you play 2 cards of the same rank (a pair) and then draw 3 cards. Then, if you have less than 7 cards in your hand you draw up to 7. To play the flush cache program you play 5 cards that all have the same suit, shuffle your cache into your deck, then draw back up to 7 cards if needed.
Hope that helps!
Thank you! So, IIUC, this means as a result I might sometimes have more than 7 cards in hand, is that right?
Also, to clarify the ranks/values:
Each face card counts as 10 only when looking for a value, for example if you want to exploit a node that has 10 you would need to play 1 or more cards that have a total value of 10. So a jack, queen, or king would work there. This also matters when upgrading your deck when you jack out, as the cards you pull are checked for their values.
However when looking for pairs you need 2 cards that have matching ranks. So for example a queen and a king are not a pair because they are not the same rank. Two queens are a pair, two kings are a pair, and two kings and two queens would be two pair, or in the parlance of this game "double pairing".
Full shutdown, or a full house, requires 3 of one rank and 2 of another different rank. So 3 queens and 2 kings would count as a full house.
You can only play one program at a time, so a straight killotine would not also count as a flush cache.
Corpo keys is a royal flush, which means 10, Jack, Queen, King, and Ace all of the same suit.
Ohhh, ok, thanks, thatâs very different from what I understood! I read the following guideline in the booklet, and I assumed I need to follow it: âAces have a value of either 1 or 11, face cards count as value 10 outside of a straightâ - that face cards count as 10 except in programs named âStraightâ.
As to the Straight Killotine vs. Flush Cache, I wanted to ask a different question actually, I now see I didnât phrase it clearly enough: what I want to ask, if I have cards for a Straight Killotine, can I instead play them as a Flush Cache? i.e., letâs say I have 2+3+4+5+6 of one suit, so I could play them as Straight Killotine; but do I have the choice to instead treat and play them as Flush Cache? Or is it required for Flush Cache that the ranks must not be fully sequential, that I can only play a Flush Cache if the cards do not form an unbroken sequence?
EDIT: Ahh, and also then, for a â3 SEQUENCEâ Exploit, can faces be used here, or only ânumberâ cards? and if faces can be used, they count as a â10â each, yes? or again as ranks?
So one of the inherent assumptions in poker is that you are always playing the strongest possible hand, and that assumption is also true in Card Drives. As a straight flush is stronger than either a flush or a straight, if you play 5 cards that share a sequence and are all in the same suit, that always counts as a straight flush.
Face cards can be used in a 3 sequence exploit. This is another inherent assumption in poker, that face cards have a rank that puts them in Jack, Queen, King order, and that order comes after the 10 card. So for example a 3 sequence could be 9,10,J, or 10, J, Q, or J,Q,K, or Q,K,A.
Arrived via KS. Looks great. Will you make a BGG page? Also I have a rules questions. How many cards are needed for the flush OR straight. 4?
Thanks! I haven't really messed with Board Game Geek or RPG Geek pages before.
Programs like the flushes and straights always refer to standard poker hands that appear next to it in brackets, so to play a straight circuit (straight) you would need 5 cards in sequence, to flush cache (flush) you would need to play 5 cards all with the same suit. Hope that helps!
Great. Very helpful. Itâs been awhile since Iâve played poker. Iâd strongly recommend adding a BGG page. Itâs where I visit to get more details for KS games and see what kind of community is developing. Also games with BGG entries are more likely to feature on my YT channel as I find BGG is a common stop for people looking for more info.
Somebody already created a BGG entry FYI: https://bgg.cc/boardgame/459747/card-drives
yes. Thanks. I found it when I went to add my video.
Thanks for making the video, it gave me some better understanding of a few things I didnât wrap my head around yet after just reading the rules. For anyone else interested, the video is at: https://youtu.be/VTBr8QIN-6U