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"They do this every thread we discuss censorship/agenda based localisation in:



That didn't happen.
And if it did, it wasn't that bad.
And if it was, that's not a big deal.
And if it is, that's not my fault.
And if it was, I didn't mean it.
And if I did, you deserved it. - by Dayna Craig

Trolls come in and say 'censorship didn't happen. PROVE IT! (regardless what's shown in OP or previous pages)
After providing more proof they respond with - well it's not that bad a change
After pointing out it didn't need to be changed at all - well it's not a big deal
After pointing out that the artist's vision was censored by 3rd parties - well its just how it is if they want to sell to the US market
After pointing out they make less sales due to inferior localisations and censorship with proven previous games as examples - you coomer weeb incel insult random twitter meme alt level 0 account replying saying YAAS QUEEN SLAY


They literally do it step by step in their replies."

Taken from my forum posts in Dragon's Dogma 2:

[quote=wolfqack;4289188517335663163]for me Denuvo has not noticeably affected any games that have had it for a very long time, so I have to assume this is some kind of mass hallucination experienced by poor people and those who mindlessly parrot anything they read online [/quote]

Be sure to turn your internet off for a few days and see how you go with being held back from playing your paid for games, just because Denuvo isn't happy if it doesn't phone home

Or when Denuvo forgets to pay for its own domain website for an entire weekend, leaving everyone stranded, unable to play their legally purchased games. Again.

source:

https://www.pcmag.com/news/denuvo-drm-to-blame-for-games-becoming-temporarily-unplayable

https://www.pcgamer.com/a-great-day-for-drm-as-denuvo-lapse-renders-tons-of-games-temporarily-unplayable/

https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/


This happened while Denuvo was an active company, and it still took them an entire weekend+ to fix this mistake that should have never happened

So what happens when Denuvo shuts down? What happens to all the games that have Denuvo infested within them?

We already know, because it happened to the original company that Denuvo was formed from. SecurROM.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SecuROM

" SecuROM protected games don't work anymore on Windows 10 and newer and since 2015 they also stopped working on Windows Vista, 7 and 8 because Microsoft released a security update .[4][5][6] The only way to play them now is with a crack which is a patched binary of the game in which SecuROM is circumvented. "


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denuvo

"Denuvo Anti-Tamper is an anti-tamper and digital rights management (DRM) system developed by the Austrian company Denuvo Software Solutions GmbH. The company was formed from a management buyout of DigitalWorks, the developer of SecuROM, and began developing the software in 2014 ."


So the same people that let your SecurROM games die when it went offline, are the same ones who put Denuvo on your current games.


[quote=wolfqack;4289188517338705990]Why would I turn my internet off? I pay for it. My internet isn't going out.[/quote]

That's literally not up to you. There are many cases when internet is down and rest of services are up. The fact remains that, the game that is 100% installed on your computer and requires no online connection, refuses to play because a 3rd party denies you access to your own paid game.

[quote=wolfqack;4289188517338705990]
Steam is already DRM? Literally all the same arguments can be used against Steam but it gets a free pass because..? [/quote]

Steam is a platform that we legally purchase the games from. It's a DRM that we agree to have to purchase the game and play it on Steam. Denuvo is not needed for the sales process.

An example is : Witcher 3 sold 50 million copies, it contains 0 DRM/NO Denuvo. It proves Denuvo does not protect sales (otherwise Witcher 3 would've been pirated to death as Denuvo says and never sold 50 million copies)

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2023/05/the-witcher-3-wild-hunt-has-sold-a-staggering-50-million-copies-since-2015

[quote=wolfqack;4289188517338705990]
Like are you really pissing yourself over some games being "temporarily" inaccessible for a weekend due to human error? Sure, it's not ideal, but this is the digital age so it happens.
[/quote]

I bought my games. My computer works. I have electricity. Why can't i play them? Because a 3rd party i never agreed to, decided to not even bother paying for their domain website. You think a company that can't be bothered paying for its domain name re-registration is on-top of protecting a game and caring about customers?

It didn't have to happen. They don't need to be wrapped around the game in the first place. If i already have paid for the game, and Steam can prove i paid for it, why does a 3rd party company need to sit on-top of my game every time i launch it and decide whether i'm 'allowed' to pay my legally purchased game or not?


[quote=wolfqack;4289188517338705990]
Don't like it, then don't engage with modern gaming.
[/quote]

I have over 1000 games on Steam. Nearly all of them are without Denuvo. It is NOT Modern Gaming that requires Denuvo, it is Denuvo that is attempting to force its way into games to get paid that takes developer funding away from actually making a better game as an opportunity cost. Why waste the money? All the other games are fine without it, why bother with it if it doesn't even protect sales and just puts a burden over paying customers

[quote=wolfqack;4289188517338705990]
There are negatives
[/quote]

We agree!

https://whyisdenuvobad.github.io/

[quote=wolfqack;4289188517338705990]
I was talking about supposed performance hits, so actually none of this is relevant. [/quote]

Denuvo has been proven to affect games via FPS drops/stuttering due to its invasive and over active need to check things constantly as you run the game

The game director of Tekken 7 Katsuhiro Harada openly stated that Tekken's 7's performance issues were due to Denuvo

https://twitter.com/Harada_TEKKEN/status/984791954872569857

https://wccftech.com/tekken-7-denuvo-drm-performance-issues/

It's so bad that they had to remove Denuvo from the game itself

https://gamerant.com/harada-tekken-8-no-denuvo-launch-feature/

" Thankfully, Bandai Namco eventually removed Denuvo from Tekken 7 entirely and based on Harada's response, it appears the team has learned their lesson."

They refuse to add Denuvo to Tekken 8 due to their direct experiences


TL:DR:
So we've shown that:
1. It does not protect sales at all,
2. It does affect fps/stutters to the point games have to remove it
3. It has already stopped legitimate paying customers from playing their games that they paid for.

So what's the point of having it again?